This event, held during national Prisons Week (13 to 19 October), reflected the latest book by Her Honour Wendy Joseph KC: Rough Justice: Do We Have the Law We Deserve? The aim was to reflect on a number of interrelated questions, in particular: what is justice, and to what extent is justice dispensed by the UK’s criminal justice system and processes? The analysis of these questions in Joseph’s book, which magnifies the role of courts, is framed around descriptions of four trials informed by her career as a judge.

Speakers were also invited to reflect upon the experience of women in criminal justice processes and the social dimension of crime (i.e. the challenge of addressing the ‘causes of crime’), including the potential role of education in both preventing crime and reducing recidivism.
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Kate O-Brien
Kate O’Brien is Associate Professor in the Department of Sociology at Durham University and Co-Director of the Inside-Out Prison Exchange Programme. For the last ten years, she has delivered undergraduate and postgraduate programmes at HMP Durham, HMP Frankland and HMP Low Newton, as well as directing Durham University’s MSc programme in Criminology and Criminal Justice.
Kate has particular expertise in the field of women and imprisonment and has worked on funded projects examining the experience of female prisoners with histories of sexual violence and abuse, and those separated from their children. Her publications include a co-authored volume, Criminal Women: Gender Matters (Bristol University Press, 2022).
John Podmore
John Podmore is an international expert on corruption in prisons, currently working with the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. A former prison governor (of HMP Belmarsh, HMP Brixton and HMP Swaleside) and prison inspector, he is the author of Out of Sight, Out of Mind: Why Britain’s Prisons are Failing (Biteback, 2012). John has also held an honorary professorship at Durham University.